Know Your Lore: The Infinite Dragonflight

They're not called that because they're fat. Because they're not fat. Sure, they seem to be blistering out of their skin but that's glandular. Too many chronotons. (If you thought we were going to go an entire KYL about dragons who want to alter the fabric of time and space and not once mention Futurama, well, you were wrong, Mister I'm my own grandpa. Now let's steal the dish and go home.)
The Infinite Dragonflight are a conundrum. In many ways, they're the opposite number of the Bronze Dragonflight, with an agenda wholly opposed to that of the stewards of time. Where the Bronze seem to shepherd time along its normal flow and prevent strange incursions, the Infinites are all about strange incursions. Strange incursions that seem to be aiming at nothing more and nothing less than the total destruction of the established history of Azeroth proper and the creation of a wholly new order.

What does Aeonus mean by this statement? He makes it while attempting to kill Medivh (or at least disrupt the Guardian's concentration while he breaches the Twisting Nether and creates the Dark Portal in the Black Morass... it's unlikely that Aeonus could actually prevail in direct combat with the Guardian of Tirisfal even if he wasn't possessed at the time by Sargeras) and prevent the orcs from stepping into a new world, leading to the events of the First War. Is this act intended to free everyone from the hourglass and its constraints, or merely the Infinites? I went back and killed a lot of them in the Black Morass for this post, but didn't seem to find an answer. (Took lots of pictures, though.)

- We don't know when, exactly, they exist. Since they travel through time to alter history and we have no idea where/when their home base is, they could be from the distant past (one of those 'other dragonflights' that existed before the Titans made the five aspects from Galakrond) or from the future, or an alternate timeline or timelines (perhaps created when a dragon, an elf and an orc went back in time and totally messed with the lore...er, I mean changed history).
- We don't know who they ultimately answer to. We know that when Epoch Hunter dies after you prevent him from killing Thrall in the past as he escapes from Durnholde, the drake says "the master will not be pleased" but who the master is, we don't know. There's lots of theories but not many facts at present. Are they related to the time storm that trapped Nozdormu in the novel series related to the War of the Ancients? Or do they have a more straightforward and sinister relationship to the Aspect of Time?
- We don't know what their ultimate goals are. We know that they travel through time to key points in history (the escape from Durnholde Keep, the opening of the Dark Portal, the culling of the citizens of Stratholme) and that they were attempting to alter the events at Mount Hyjal in some fashion (forcing Soridormi of the Bronze Flight to breach a barrier and send agents to ensure time's correct flow) and we know that they're locked in what appears to be a kind of time-shifting combat at the Bronze Dragonshrine, but what we don't know is why. Sometimes they make comments that seem to indicate that they believe that they're after some kind of greater good, but at others they just seem blatantly malicious.
- We don't know how they come to be. We know that there is at least one case of a member of this flight (the Infinite Corruptor) attacking a member of the Bronze in a way that seems to indicate at least some of the Infinites are or were members of the Bronze Dragonflight who were changed either willingly or against their will. How this process functions (it seems to take at least 25 uninterrupted minutes to accomplish it) and what it really even does (does it kill the original and make an Infinite in its place, warp it in a manner similar to fel corruption, compel obedience, brainwash?) is as yet unknown, as is whether or not this is the only means to making an Infinite.
Each incursion by the Infinite Dragonflight seems aimed at either preventing the existence of the Horde or of the Burning Legion's most recent invasion of Azeroth. If Medivh does not open the Dark Portal, there is no First War, as the orcish tools of Kil'jaeden would have died on their diseased husk of a planet without the portals to escape through. No Alliance Expedition, no Ner'zhul recklessly opening portals, no Netherwing, no destruction of Draenor, no escape of the Exodar, no Draenei on Azeroth, no Lich King, and nothing to point Kil'Jaeden to the world his 'master' (it's fairly clear that neither Archimonde nor Kil'jaeden feel a terribly strong loyalty to Sargeras) lay trapped on.
In addition to attempting to stop this event, they also attack other key points in time that would have accomplished some of these aims. By trying to prevent Thrall from rising to leadership of the Horde, they would remove the New Horde from the events of history - no death of Cenarius, no Hellscream's redemption against Mannoroth, no Horde presence on Mount Hyjal at all. Meanwhile, by killing Arthas (or at least preventing him from finding the tainted grain in Stratholme and launching his purge of the city) they would prevent the rise of one of the Legion's most effective servants, as it was wholly via the actions of this death knight that the lick Kel'Thuzad returned from death to summon Archimonde to Azeroth. But we can clearly see that their primary goal was merely to prevent the culling of the city. Why is this? What would they have to gain from the city falling to the plague before Arthas could kill the inhabitants? They went with their backup plan of outright killing Arthas before he could reach Mal'Ganis only after their initial plan to delay Arthas' awareness of the tainted grain was foiled by Chromie of the Bronze Dragonflight and her allies.
(Editor's note: I made a mistake here and said Chromie was in the Infinite Dragonflight, and not the Bronze. Several people caught the error in the comments..)
So look at the basic events as they would have unfolded: if the Infinites had successfully either slain or kept Thrall enslaves, then the soldiers of Lordaeron who were out looking for him and his Horde post-Durnholde would have been free for other duties. Northern Lordaeron would have had its usual defenses, meaning that roaming paladins like Uther and Arthas wouldn't have been forced to deal with situations like the orcs attacking Strahnbad. Furthermore, with the forces of Lordaeron not divided and Arthas and Uther working together to contain the plagued inhabitants of Stratholme (who would have had time to fully turn if Arthas had not discovered the tainted grain there as quickly as he did in established history) then there would have been no reason not to burn the city and no one would have objected, and Arthas would have had the full assistance of Uther and Jaina against Mal'Ganis there. We know, too, that Chromie sensed temporal incursions at Andorhal years later, incursions she blamed on the Scourge at that time. Since the Scourge has shown no further ability to travel in time, and since we clearly have sizable evidence of Infinite interest in the fall of Lordaeron, we can dismiss the Scourge and focus on the Infinites.
In every case where they take an active interest (despite their being evidence of their interference with the battle of Mount Hyjal, once you travel to that battle through time you see not a sight of them) they're attempting to prevent either the Legion or its major tools of conquest, the Old Horde/Scourge, from reaching Azeroth. Failing that, they seek to minimize their effectiveness. How will this 'shatter this clockwork universe' exactly?

We know the Old Gods can manipulate time, and that Nozdormu can check their influence. We know that we've seen at least one example of a temporal incursion into the past that was successful, when a Dragon, a wizard and an orc went back in time and, while preserving the rough outlines of the War of the Ancients utterly changed their particulars (an orc on Azeroth before the Sundering who injured Sargeras himself?) and it was, supposedly, Nozdormu who caused it by sending them back in the first place. We are led to consider the following possible scenario for what is happening. What if the Old Gods tricked Nozdormu into changing history?
Imagine that the 'time storm' that ensnared Nozdormu and forced him to send back three agents to prevent tampering with the past (which they do in broad strokes... the Legion is defeated, the Sundering happens... but in a great many particulars the events of the War of the Ancients with Krasus, Rhonin and Broxigar involved barely resemble those we hear about in the WCIII manual) was created by Nozdormu sending them back in the first place. A new timeline is created that mostly resembles the old, and the World of Warcraft that we as players would recognize is that timeline. As a result, 'our' timeline's Nozdormu doesn't have to send anyone back in time since it was the Nozdormu of that previous timeline that sent them back. That Nozdormu, Aspect of Time charged with guarding and securing the flow of history, has instead deliberately and willfully sent agents back in time and altered history.
What happens when the Aspect of Time changes time's flow? What happens to a Dragonflight dedicated to preserving history that perverts it? Are they corrupted? We can postulate that it is the Nozdormu of the original timeline who seeks to prevent himself from having ever sent back a human, dragon and orc and thus changing history by taking various actions aimed at preventing those people from either existing or being in a place to assist him. No First War because the orcs never come to Azeroth? No Broxigar to send back to become the only mortal to ever wound Sargeras. No need for Rhonin to free Alexstrasza from Grim Batol, no need for the Aspects to regain their power from the Demon Soul, no need for Krasus to reveal himself to the mage at all. If you can stop any of the wars... First, Second or Third... you stand a chance of preventing Broxigar from having the drive necessary to make the attack on Sargeras at all, in fact.
Imagine the Infinite Dragonflight as a perversion of the Bronzes and their goal, created by an Aspect's mistake. (We know they can make them, now, as we've seen with Malygos.) However, since we're dealing with time and time travel, it's possible that Nozdormu doesn't even know it happened, since it didn't actually happen to the 'him' we would know. He and his Bronzes may in fact be under attack by what is, essentially, the original timeline trying desperately to prevent itself from being overwritten with the only means at its disposal, attempting to shatter the clockwork universe rather than being ground up by its gears.
In the end, however, what we know about the Infinites is their actions. They attack time, they corrupt Bronze dragons, and they cloak a ruthless willingness to destroy the past with honeyed words of a better future. All else is speculation.
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 5)
Lucidique Mar 25th 2010 8:21AM
Having killed the Lich King, I can say this
He is more.. sinewy. Being commander of all undead and all haven't been nice on him.
Gnomercy Mar 24th 2010 6:06PM
I see the culling being far more important to horde aspects than alliance. Without Arthas Silvermoon wouldn't have been wiped out, the sunwell would've been left relatively alone, Silvanas wouldn't have died and subsequently become the queen of the damned, and the new horde would be so much weaker without any presence in the old kingdoms that it wouldn't have been able to survive after the third war and Illidan would've succeeded in tearing northrend asunder which could have a series of other terrible implications.
miztickow Mar 24th 2010 6:18PM
Awesome article; interesting theories; Chromie is the coolest dragon in existence.
I hope we'll be seeing an article on the plated dragonflight next.
Ringo Flinthammer Mar 24th 2010 6:31PM
As awesome as it was for you to go back and kick some infinite ass for the screenshots, wearing a Keepers of Time tabard would have made it even more awesome.
Eldoron Mar 24th 2010 6:42PM
well, you know my opinion...
"Well I do think that Nozdormu is in the background with the Infinite Dragonflight. I think it is his own dragonflight from the future. And I have several points to prove it.
As we have seen so far, many dragon aspects (and their flights of course) are not really fond of mortals. Only the red and the green one is at our side, really. Now, I think that Nozdormu grew tired of seeing how mortals blew up their (and Azeroth's) history. And I think he grew so tired he wanted to do something about it. Just remember... Infinites wanted to kill Medivh, Thrall, and Arthas. 3 persons who brought much suffering to Azeroth. Well okay, Thrall is not too obvious. But think of this: should he never escape, the Horde wouldnt be there now. There would be only Alliance. PEACE. I think I dont have to explain the other 2 persons. (I do not mention Battle of Mount Hyjal because -as far as I know- there are no Infinites in that fight.
Of course you were all fed with made-up reasons why we have to save these people. But they really sound stupid... I think Chromie (and Blizzard through her, of course) only tried to give these actions some common sense, what GOOD the Infinites want to prevent, and why it is very-very important for us to step in. But you all know that these things they want to prevent are originally bad. We were just given some crafted reasons what good sprung out of those actions in the end. Malygos went mad, Neltharion too, Ysera's dragons captured and corrupted by the Nightmare, Alextrasza captured by the Dragonmaw orcs... they are not stable, and not even so mighty as we would think"
Teo Mar 24th 2010 6:49PM
One interesting note: the expressions "hourglass" and "clockwork" universe are used by Medivh in the Last Guardian novel first when explaining Khadgar the strange happenings in Karazhan, and then when he explains his actions. Never noticed that before, despite my garzillion runs in BM....
Joerendous Mar 24th 2010 6:51PM
Brilliant article. I enjoy the communal brainstorming!
jishdefish Mar 24th 2010 7:00PM
I'd like to reiterate my theory that I posted in the Bronze Dragonflight. I think Blizzard so far has sought to keep things simple when it comes to enemies, so I don't think Nozdormu fighting himself is very easy to explain by any easy measure. So, here's my envisioning of the future:
Nozdormu, like he has done a few times in the past, helps the mortal races of Azeroth defeat the perverted aspect of Deathwing, because he is threatening the very existence of Azeroth.
So, as Deathwing dies, by the hand--err... claw of Nozdormu (with the help of a few unnamed adventurers), Deathwing deals a killing blow to Nozdormu. The Aspect of Time dies, and his powers, his very essence are up for grabs. A powerful member of the Black Dragonflight still loyal to his dead master rushes forward and claims it. It corrupts him, causing his black scales to become frail and start to molt, but he doesn't care. He is all powerful now, and he has the power of time, the power of life and death, the power to resurrect his master. But of course, first he has to escape. He opens up a time portal, runs away, possibly with more of Deathwing's generals, and makes plans to assault the timestream in a safer era. Thus the Infinite Dragonflight is born with the sole purpose of creating a timestream in which Deathwing was not defeated.
Think about it. They've already tried to mess with time surrounding the New Horde, seeing as how they will doubtless lead raids on Deathwing, this makes a little bit of sense. By buying Mal'Ganis time, they allow the plague to spread in Stratholme, and the scourge to make it even further before they're stopped, and maybe keeping Arthas sane at the same time, weakening both the Alliance and the Scourge (because you know, legions of undead might threaten the Aspect of Earth at one point) at the same time. The attack on the Old Horde removes many of the most powerful threats on Azeroth at the same time, as Rossi mentioned above. Not to mention, they'd obviously have a grudge against the Bronze Dragonflight in all forms since it's (in my theory) master killed their master.
Anna Mar 24th 2010 7:01PM
Stopping Medivh, killing Thrall or Arthas (Mount Hyjal was created under the Rule of Cool, imho) are all actions against the Burning Legion's plans and thus can be considered vigilante madness on the Infinites' part - quite similar to Malygos's, in fact. As many other interested in the bronze dragonflight, I'm a proponent of the "Nozdormu did/is doing/will do it" club. But with Blizzard playing the vigilante madness card way too often (ZA, Kael'thas, Malygos, in a way even Arthas) I propose another idea.
Nozdormu, knowing his killer, is doing everything to prevent it. And the killer? Varian!
No orcs/Thrall = no Horde to turn him into his bloodthirsty self we all know and hate. No Arthas = Wrynn won't be the ruling family of humans, with Menethil leading them instead. Also, Bolvar will still be there to guide him. Not to forget, Varian has definitely got a thing against dragons. (*coughonyxiacough*)
Eldoron Mar 24th 2010 7:08PM
Also, I'd like to say how sad I am that the timetravel-thing coming from the Knaak book became canon in the end. I think it was only a "Knaak-ish" act again, bringing famous characters to another famous event to please readers. Read reviews about Stormrage, they are not really positive, neither about the book, nor about Knaak in general. If there was a vote, I wouldn't want the whole thing retconned (much like Stormrage will probably be)
Doberbane Mar 24th 2010 7:11PM
Great Scott!
This is heavy
jasonkidd1234 Mar 24th 2010 7:24PM
My theroy is less exciting than everybody elses, and probably is pretty standard.
The titans showed Nozdramu when he was going to die.
Like many other "theroys" he went crazy as he approached that day, and decided that since he and his dragonflight can meddle with time, him and the remaining Bronze decide to alter the timeline. Considering I'm assuming nobody knows more about the history of azeroth than he, he might have been capable of finding the series of events that led to his death.
Perhaps all of these events he is using to try and prevent his eventual death by us.
Sounds kind of messed up, but imo all the events lead to us as players getting stronger. No Arthas means no "lich" king, which means we won't be capable of stopping Deathwings dragonflight (Going from the in game standpoint of, armor = power. The new patch coming out is going to have us fighting Twilight dragons, who presumably are going to be killed by us, but if we didn't have the Lich King's gear to fight them, maybe we couldn't kill them.) He's not worried about any certain period of time, but rather, whether he will survive. He could care less if the Twilight dragonflight come to existence. He can always hide in an era where they didn't exist, because they can't time travel, as they aren't friendly with the Bronze dragonflight. So he's trying to weaken us by altering the timeline so either we don't come to azeroeth (Orcs) or don't have a leader (Orcs...) Or we don't have the weapons necessary to killing him.
Thus with us out of the way, he can prevent his death.
His worse enemy is going to be the Bronze dragonflight, which would explain why he's trying to corrupt/turn them into Infinite dragonflight, as when all the bronze dragons are gone, he can easily make sure nobody could travel through time to fight him.
But if the Bronze find out of his selfish plans, then they will send us to whereever he is to kill him, which brings to mind an awesome raid boss.
Can you guys imagine a fight where we literally time travel through events in azeroeth history.
As we weaken him, he attempts to run. Bronze dragons open portals for us, which we have to take the proper one to keep with him, and each area has different hazards.
I'm also interested in if the Old Gods might be meddling with him as well. Odds are they effected the Emerald Dream, so it's not far fetched at all to assume they might have corrupted him as well.
Paul Mar 24th 2010 8:10PM
There is nothing rude, offensive, crude or disrespectful about this post. What's with the downranking? Disagree with his opinion by forming one of your own please. Objectively look at his post and point out why you think he's wrong, but whatever you do, don't assume he IS wrong or that you're right over a subject that has very little in the way of facts and so much in the way of interpreatable events. It's petty.
For example;
The problem with Nozzy "reacting" to the knowledge of his death is a problem because he's known about it his entire existance. If he honestly wanted to prevent his death, he would abuse his powers in order to protect it from the instant he had his powers. He would not create an order that prevents his own attempts at saving his own life.
jasonkidd1234 Mar 24th 2010 10:45PM
See, I realize he's known about it for his entire existence, but like many characters in WoW, it's very possible that he didn't begin to come to terms with it until later in his life.
I'm just saying that perhaps he worked to protect azeroth when he was younger. Then during all the problems that were caused by the various other flights, he began to abandon his "job" seeing his "supposed" brothers and sisters abandoning theirs as well.
I'm not sure if when the titans showed him his death, if they showed him all the events leading up to it, or if they showed him just the moment of his death.
I mean, logically speaking, being thrust into this job of watching over all of azeroth's history and future, might have made his priorities different back when he was first tasked with it, and the 15 thousand or so years later.
Perhaps as the inevitable time drew closer, he began to grow more parinoid. I know if you gave me a huge job, and told me the day I'd die, my loyalty to the person who created me would initially go to the job. If my "theroy" is correct, then it kind of put his death on the backburner, worrying about stabilizing the time. Then as time went on, two of his "siblings" get corrupted, ignoring thier jobs, and he realizes that before long he won't be there to do his any longer. Maybe all of this is to ensure that he does his job.
I know it really doesn't make sense that if he could travel through time, why he couldn't just travel into the future far enough so that his death is avoided, or something, but it depends on how time travel in WoW works. Are there infinite numbers of different "miniverses", representing each and every milisecond, all moving at the same speed, but VERY slightly off time wise, where a person could go into the future and help himself (It certainly seems that way to me) or is it something where there is only one you, and your decisons you make will effect all of the "versions" of you regardless.
Time travel is a confusing concept, which is why I was thinking blizz would take the slightly more simple path.
Ata Mar 24th 2010 7:43PM
I think its important to note that during your time revealing the 'leader of the infinites' in the Bronze Shrine, Chromie sounds a lot like she's trying really hard to find a way to explain that Noz isn't the leader when you tell her that he was exposed by the hourglass. The fact that the -entire flight- didn't know 'where or when' he went when he up and disappeared is a pretty big thing, and shouldn't be overlooked when postulating what/who the infinite are.
Paul Mar 24th 2010 7:48PM
There seems to be some confusion regarding the infinate's participation in Mount Hyjal. People are citing that there is no real evidence of their involvement in that timeline because they have no presence there.
The thing is, when you first arrive at the Caverns of Time, you are given a little tour. It's very important that you read what your tourguide is telling you.
The infinate dragonflight's involvement on the mount hyjal timeline was to raise a barrier preventing the bronze dragonflight from observing their alterations on the timeline. This is why you (had to) get the vials of eternity. It was the only way to break the Infinate's barrier.
We don't see them in Mount Hyjal because they did what ever it was they need to do, which is speculatory at the moment. Did they reduce the number of troops in the armies? Did they speed up the legion's advancement? Did they delay/remove Malfurion from the timeline? etc etc
Paul Mar 24th 2010 7:56PM
Which leads to a bigger problem, the 'why' of it. All the other alterations in time seem geared at working against the evils against Azeroth. You could actually claim that the Infinate Dragonflight are Chaotic Good (whilst the Bronze are actually Lawful neutral).
So what the hell is their goal in the Hyjal encounter? The "rule of cool" is actually a very strong argument for that particular instance, unless this does involve Malfurion and he's destined to cause Azeroth some big big hurt. Other than that, it's really hard to justify Mount Hyjal.
Viator Mar 25th 2010 2:40AM
After archimonde is down Nordrassil still stands tall as ever (although he is a bit smaller in comparison to teldrassil), thats whats wrong.
Maybe Blizz overlooked the fact that the tree should be blown to bit together with archimonde, but in the instance only archimonde gets blown up by the wisps.
Rob.Raisch Mar 24th 2010 8:52PM
This is one of the reasons why Richard Knaak pisses me off. Outside of the fact that the guy is a pretty crap writer, he also is pretty self serving by putting his own creation that have never ever been mentioned in already established Warcraft lore in situations where they have no business being. These obscure characters assist the real heroes of Warcraft in ways that make the real heroes seem particularly helpless without the help of Knaak's pet characters. This makes an appearance in the Stormrage novel where one of the character's pretty much takes the whole premise of the Green Dragonflight's relationship with the Night Elves and slaps it square in the face, not to mention that he's sort of defaced an entire timeline by flapping around with time travel.
Also, I honestly hope that Nozdormu (or some facet of him) isn't behind the Infinite Flight. I'd really not spend the next two or three expansions systematically killing off the remaining Dragonflights. I understand why Malygos went insane, I can understand Deathwing but now they're beginning to make references that Ysera and the greens are being corrupted by the Emerald Nightmare. Malygos is dead. Deathwing most likely going to die. Ysera is most likely going to be corrupted and killed. If Nozdormu is actually the leader of the Infinites, he's most likely going to die. In the meantime, Alexstrasza being the queen of the dragons and at her very core the protector of all life on Azeroth could go ahead and look at this pattern and go all Arthas a la Culling of Stratholme and decide that it is in the best interest of the continuation of life on Azeroth that the red dragonflight purge the remaining dragonflights seeing as they're prone to corruption. This ultimate fall from grace for Alexstrasza would probably play out in typical Blizzard fashion and result in the red flight being corrupted, Alexstrasza going mad with power and the Kirin Tor deciding that the next 25-man raid should involve something to do with hanging the dragon queen's head from the pillars of Dalaran.
I'd rather fight against the remaining Old Gods than slaughter what remains of the once great Dragonflights.
myst Mar 24th 2010 9:37PM
i think they exist because the game/dungeon developers realize players will be much interested in travelling to the past, and relive the actions that are gone in the present, of course, this doesnt make sense to just barge in, and do whatever that was done, since it would be pointless. lorewriters therefore have found a genius way to intergrate, this requirement with lore, and even better, to make their appearance, untrackable, and untraceable. the perfect infinite badguy.
it makes more sense to go kill a repetitive time incursion then waiting at a chamber shooting fire, shadow n light for your daily random everyday.