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8-11-2010 @ 7:25PM
ToyChristopher said...
The old gods don't really seem that bad really. I mean without the old gods wouldn't gnomes be clockwork servants with no free will?
The titans were the ultimate villains of ulduar in a way.... Yogg Saron was just chilling but the Titans were the ones who sent algalon to blow up the planet.
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8-11-2010 @ 7:29PM
Iirdan said...
"Cower before my true form! BOW DOWN BEFORE THE GOD OF DEATH!"
Yeah, sounds like he's chilling.
But yes, Algalon was the more pressing threat to Azeroth. Yogg-Saron was certainly a threat as well though.
8-11-2010 @ 11:08PM
Ganatola said...
Hi again! Another great post! When you mentioned the Yogg-post was happening next week, I did a little research into Yogg himself. By far, the most intriguing thing I found was the fact that he claimed a part (or whole, who knows) for King Llane’s death. While yes, it certainly is possible that Gul’dan and Cho’Gall (gosh, I love all those apostrophe names!) were controlling Garona to kill him, I say look back to the events of the book, The Last Guardian. The last time we ever see Garona before we see her kill Llane is when Sargeras/Medivh scrambles her brain before Khadgar kills him.
I think the reason Yogg showed us Llane’s death is that there is MUCH MORE depth than just the Shadow Council and the orcs when it comes to his death! The REAL reason the orcs came to Azeroth was because a Sargeras possessed Medivh called them to come to Azeroth. They were pawns in Sargeras’s plans to topple the strongest forces in the world of Azeroth (correct me if I’m wrong here though).
Question is, why would an Old God show the results of something a crazy titan did thirty years ago? Unless…the Old God himself had something to do with the “crazy titan.”
Lets draw a little comparison here between Deathwing and Sargeras. Both were great, powerful champions of the Titans (well one was blessed by the titans, not much difference). Both went totally insane, bent on chaos, and are destroyers of worlds; exact opposite of what the Titans wanted them to do. Deathwing went totally insane by staring into the abyss under Azeroth and hearing the Old Gods. Sargeras went totally insane by staring into the abyss of the Universe and seeing…what? Oh right, demons.
Now, it’s time for a little TFH: Ganatola Edition. Logic application - Demons come from planets that are totally racked with chaos and are rather chaotic beings themselves. The titans are dedicated to destroying all the demons of the Universe. They also likely want to destroy all the Old Gods in the Universe (and according to http://www.wowwiki.com/Harbinger_Skyriss, they are universal) due to their clear, opposite ideology of the Titans; chaos instead of order.
Wait a minute, did I just theorize that the Titans want Universal Healthcare?!?! I guess they are pretty liberal…
So my theory is this: All these demonic worlds the titans have found, they’re worlds already conquered by the Old Gods. Sargeras, tasked with wiping out all the demonic forces, finally went insane because he kept finding world after world with their taint and decided instead of fighting it, he would join it. He then united the forces of the Old Gods into the Burning Legion and is now charging across the universe, wiping out any trace of Titanic material; which on Azeroth, there seems to be quite a lot of material, preparing the way for Old-Mega-God infestation, AKA, O.M.G. Infestation!
Now that might be a stretch, but it isn’t much of a stretch to say that perhaps, Sargeras, like Deathwing, heard the whispers of the Old Gods and finally succumbed to them, going all “PEW PEW PEW! DEATHSTAR’S GOT NOTHIN ON THIS”? Later on, in his plot to topple Azeroth SARGERAS killed the most powerful human leader, via forcing it on one of his pawns two-fold; once by showing Garona the vision she was going to kill Llane in the future (therefore physiologically planting it in her brain she has to do it), and two actually messing with the mind of the actual killer (actually planting it in her brain that she has to do it,).
My conclusion (and TL;DR version) – Yogg is saying that Llane was killed by the Old Gods through the Garona who was controlled by Sargeras. I say that Sargeras controlled her because of the events that took place during The Last Guardian. I believe that Sargeras’s insanity is more of a “faction switch” to the Old Gods, therefore is a servant of the Old Gods. So Old Gods>Sargeras>Garona>Dagger in Llane’s chest, AKA, blame goes all the way back to the Old Gods.
Also so this can be seen as a reply to the above statement, Old Gods might not really be all that bad if you compare them to the Titans… Titans are all about immortality but you have absolutely no will. Old Gods are all about mortality and you have all the free will you want! So question is, which is more evil: Live forever but you make no choices OR you eventually die but you can do whatever you want?
PS – Christ! That’s over seven hundred words! Sorry, been writing for Blizzard’s writing contest all day today; needed something different to write about. >_<
8-12-2010 @ 12:09AM
Kallix said...
@Ganatola
A nice theory, though I do remember when reading the War of the Ancients trilogy about how the Old Gods underneath the well of eternity wanted Sargeras to enter through the well, as it would break their prison and they would be able to defeat one lone Titan. As they were expecting to fight Sargeras, its unlikely he was working directly for them, although they might always retcon it.
As far as who the true evil is, while order itself may not be the best thing in the world, and the Titans are far from perfect, in an organised world positive things like Honor and Justice can exist. In an Old Gods world, there is simply nothing but chaos and war. I know which side I'd rather fight for.