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9-08-2010 @ 4:35PM
Turalyon just.. doesn't really do it for me. Yes, he was a hero and all that, but he seems to be, well, unoriginal. Greatly so. A goody-goody who's unsure of himself? Gasp. That's not been done before.Don't get me wrong, the article was fine, it's just that this character.. I'm not sure why so many like him.Feel free to explain it to me.
9-08-2010 @ 4:36PM
Please describe for us a character type that you're quite sure has never "been done before".
9-08-2010 @ 4:46PM
The issue with Turalyon is not that he was unsure of himself. It is that he was plagued by doubt. If anything, Turalyon was very sure of himself. He simply didn't view himself in the same light that others did. The reason he's a great hero is that he never let his doubt overwhelm him.
9-08-2010 @ 4:53PM
Interesting... I'm curious as well. I mean the pendulum has swung so far the other way for so long that the dark or Un-hero has gotten pretty old for me. It could be that I've been reading Miller Comics for longer than a lot of players have been alive but I find true Good-Guys a breath of fresh air. Miller, Morrison, Jona Hex stories, etc... If there is ANYTHING about Turalyon or Rhonin for that matter is that it’s ANOTHER pairing of an female Elf and a Knight in Shining Armour (Or Mage in … shiny robes?!). As a female player I’d love to see a Dwarf FEMALE hero hook up with someone completely different (*Cough*TAUREN*Mybias*COUGH*/shame). I mean, come on. Talk about being done. Tolkien did the human/elf thing first and did it best. ;-p Since then it's been done to death and it's VERY old. I mean I get it, guys like pretty, delicate looking, vapid stuff ( no offence guys but that's the only reason it still happens.) ;-p I’m not asking for dumb fan-fiction pairings but if they are going to do couples in the lore then for the love of the GLOD, mix it up a bit.Wow that was supposed to be a short answer and I went to rant-ville. X-p Sorry.
9-08-2010 @ 4:57PM
But why is he, as a character, considered interesting? What is it about him that makes him that much better than most other characters?And to Grovin, you should read more. At the very least, tvtropes. I strongly doubt that there are character descriptions 100% unique, but there are plenty who've not been done to the extent that, as an example, Turalyon has...blegh, this is probably my neutrality bias; see good and evil as simple and shallow. Haha.
9-08-2010 @ 6:26PM
Krem, ultimately, when presented with someone who struggles to overcome his or her personal doubts and fears and who you know will absolutely do his or her best to do what is right, I tend to find that compelling.It's not a question of good or evil. One of my favorite fictional characters is Marc Remillard from Julian May's various novels. He's an evil man, ultimately. He does evil things. But he does so firmly believing in them, absolutely sure he is right to do them, and that they are for the best for everyone. Similarly, I've always enjoyed the re-characterization of Magneto by Chris Claremont since it gives context to what was just a generic bad guy.Turalyon works for me because he is not just good, but he is fiercely determined to do good. He doesn't kill Doomhammer even though Doomhammer killed Lothar. Even though Turalyon clearly loved Lothar like a father, he does what he believes is right over what he wants to do. He makes a personal sacrifice, giving up the vengeance he would prefer in the name of the ideals he swore to uphold.That level of his character appeals to me. It's easy to do what you want. It's much harder to do what you believe is right even when it conflicts with what you want.
9-08-2010 @ 7:35PM
@ Krem - I am very glad that I was able to read Rossi's explanation because it is so much better than what I could say. Doing good isn't always the easiest or even the most obvious thing to do. I respect Turalyon for trying, at all times. Plus, Rossi just mentioned Chris Claremont, which needed to be recognized. /salutes Rossi
9-08-2010 @ 7:37PM
It could be argued that Doomhammer would be better off dead, though, that Tur would rather see the orc humiliated, to break his spirit (and body), to let the orc know that he lost, that he failed, and that his people would be slaughtered/enslaved.But, on another page, Tur is too succesful. I think that's my beef with him, so to say. The only time where, as far as I can see, he made a mistake, is when he let Doomhammer live. (Though he could not know that, and it turned out to be good for Azeroth, but it was pretty bad for the Alliance when he escaped, and aided Thrall etc.)If he were the main character in a series, it'd get stale. "Ok, he's brilliant, a good fighter, he can overcome his flaws, and he's an all-around good, decent guy. Oh, and he's in a relationship with an elf, even though he's human, who was at the time immortal."I dare say that even Knaack might make him better. But, this could be because we don't have enough story about him, so that we just didn't have time to see him make a mistake.Whatever, I like green, you like red, and the word keeps on a-spinnin'.
9-10-2010 @ 5:59PM
Alleria wasn't immortal. It was the Night Elves specifically that gained immortality because Nozdormu enchanted Nordrassil after the War of the Ancients. The Highborne that were exiled (and eventually became the High Elves) were exempt from this blessing.At least some of the High Elves were particularly long-lived, but they were never immortal, unless I'm greatly mistaken.
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